Thursday, April 10, 2008

Hydrogen cars--a good idea?



With the high cost and the eventual shortage of fuel to run the cars we have today, is hydrogen cars the way to go in the future? What would be the advantages or disadvantages of hydrogen cars compared to other alternatives, such as hybrids or electric cars? How would we fuel up a hydrogen car and not have to worry about the car exploding in hot weather or in crashes?

Please take a minute to read some of the article at this link before you answer: http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/

thanks for your comments--

Mike Handal (9:00)

16 comments:

English student said...

I think that having this would have alot of advantages, but i think the disadvantages of this would possibly out weigh the advantages. The use of these cars would differ for many people and their proffesions. For an example i work for a excavating crew, and i dont know if the hydrogen powered vehicles and machinery would be able to have enough power to get the jobs done quite as fast. In this subject it is mainly a matter of your proffesion i believe. For some, they have no need for power and just need a vehicle to get from point A to point B, but for others you need the power and i dont think that this would be able to get that

Tom Miller (9:00)

English student said...

An advantage of having cars run off hydrogen is that it’s a very abundant resource. Water is made of H2O; with the proper equipment you can extract the Hydrogen, (H in H2O) to make your fuel to run the car. Also, when running the Hydrogen fueled car, it emits Water (H2O) as a waste product, rather than Carbon dioxide (CO2). If you are a believer in, “The Green revolution,” then you might think the CO2 is the cause of the change in climate temperatures. By having hydrogen fueled cars you would not have this problem.
A disadvantage of having cars that run on hydrogen is. Hydrogen is a very flammable fuel source. Hydrogen is not used in the mainstream and there would need to be massive changes in the gas stations of America. While, I was looking up this topic I found out California has the most hydrogen gas station for anyone state, with a total of 13teen. It would cost a lot of money to change the gas stations over to selling hydrogen fuel, but if you were a visionary there is great potential to make a lot of money in this change.

From Steve Gratkins (9:00 a.m.)

English student said...

I believe that the hydrogen car is a good concept. It takes a problem such as the high cost of fuel and eliminates it. Some of the problems with hydrogen cars as of now is the high cost due to lack of production. You also have to find a hydrogen source to fill your car. The most dangerous aspect of hydrogen cars is the fact that hydrogen is a highly flammable gas. This could cause a potential hazard for the driver if in a car accident. For the present time, I would much rather drive a hybrid. They use much less gas and have only a few hazards, such as high voltage. The only thing ou have to do is be careful not to touch or cut certain wires. Therefore, for now, I'll stick to hybrids.

Bryan Skaggs

English student said...

hydrogen cars are a good idea for the future but that is the distant future. i think that hybrids are a good option now because there doesnt have to be major changes to the way people fuel up their cars. there are going to have to be a lot of changes made for the gas stations and also people are going to have to learn how to work on hydrogen cars. an advantage is that hydrogen would be cheaper than gas, but like someone else said it is very flammable. i dont know too much else about hybrid cars and hydrogen cars, but from what i do know i think that hybrid cars are the better option for the time being.
kaleen bittner

English student said...

I think hydrogen cars would be a good idea for the people, because the gas prices these days are insane, and many lower class or even middle class people can’t afford it because they have other priories to pay off or such. The hydrogen car has to be safe and not flammable in any means, and the usages for what the fuel will be for the car will have to decide wisely. I think the hybrid cars are a good idea, I don’t know about the electric cars because I think they would be such a hassle. My opinion on things is that the hybrids are a car economic car and save the owner money on gas and I think that’s the way to go for now.

Cesar (9:00)

Anonymous said...

I think more research needs to be done on hydrogen cars before they become the car of the future. Hybrid cars are a good choose for today. I do think that we need to be looking at many different ideas for the future. With the dangers of hydrogen exploding it may not be the best way we come go. I am sure there are scientist working every day on the problem we face with the fuel.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I think that would be a good way to go. It would be less expensive and a lot more cost effective. Some of the advantages are that water is readily available. Where as hybrids run on electricity and gas and look at the price of gas now, it is almost $4 a gallon. There would have to be alot of changes made to vehicles to make it work but I think that it would still be a better way to go.

Anonymous said...

I think that hydrogen cars is something we should look more into as an option but I don't think they should be the only option. I think it would be a good thing for our enviornment but we really need to look at all the advantages and disadvantages.

English student said...

Whether it is hydrogen cars tomorrow or any other form of travel, it is most certain that we are in need of a new, sustainable energy source. Hydrogen cars would be a solution to our current pains of soaring gas prices, but at what cost? It is currently unknown how much the compressed hydrogen would cost and who would build these fueling stations. I think hydrogen cars are a novel concept, and support them, but I believe for today's consumer a hybrid car would be a better choice.

Michael Endris (9:00)

English student said...

I think that hydrogen cars would have alot of advantages and disadvantages. It would be hard to use hydrogen powered cars in order to move heavy machines or perform construction tasks. Also it would cost alot of money to change gas stations around the U.S in order to make them hydrogen equiped. Ya it would eventually save money on gas and not burn fuels into the earths air but I think in the end it just wont work out, and cars should be kept the way that they are today.

Brett VanAsdlen

Anonymous said...

Hydrogen might be the future for car fuel, but right now I think we need to get the hybird cars better and the cost of them down. The problem with hydrogen fuel is that it's very flammable and there aren't currently any places to fuel them. The cost of changing over to this form of fuel would tremendous. I don't think we as a nation can afford this at this time. Although we might be able to introduce it slowly, but the cost would still be high because of the small amount of cars that will run on it.

English student said...

“To take your points one by one, Quantum and a few others are converting gasoline powered internal combustion engines to run on hydrogen. Another alternative is to use a one of the hydrogen generators for cars and trucks that I have been talking about for the past several weeks that uses a small tank of water to supply supplemental hydrogen to one’s engine making it run more cleanly, get greater gas mileage while reducing emissions and dependence upon foreign oil.”The idea of Big Oil Companies transitioning into Big Hydrogen Companies is distasteful for many. Right now, there are several companies working hard to make sure that this scenario never happens. For instance, GM, General Electric and Honda are all working on home hydrogen refueling stations so that consumers can refuel their hydrogen cars in the privacy of their own garages. I agree with the foot dragging part. The automakers are frustrated that the hydrogen cars they are building are far outpacing the hydrogen fueling stations being build. The regulators don’t see to have plans to keep the build up of cars and fueling station in parity with on another. As far as what we can do right now, there is always the hydrogen booster technology that will give consumers immediate results. I see this a good transitional technology until the hydrogen infrastructure is indeed built.
HK

English student said...

Hydrogen cars and their promise of a zero-emission, petroleum-free future are no longer the stuff of science fiction. Automakers have the technology largely nailed down and say vehicles like the Chevrolet Equinox FCEV and Honda FCX Clarity are poised to take us beyond gasoline. There's just one hitch. Where do we get the hydrogen? There are 36 hydrogen fueling stations in the United States, and two thirds of them are in California. Increasing that number in any meaningful way remains the biggest - and most pressing - challenge keeping us from traveling the hydrogen highway.
Chuck Squatriglia

English student said...

For the past 28 years, the Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) has been conducting research on hydrogen fuel cells for use in transportation, industry and residential use. According to the LANL, "Hydrogen & Fuel Cell Research at Los Alamos has made significant technological advances in Polymer Electrolyte Membrane (PEM) fuel cells, Direct Methanol Fuel Cells (DMFC), and related technologies such as the electrolyzer (a fuel cell in reverse, liberating hydrogen from electricity and pure water)."
Unlike many of the hybrid and "green" cars currently on the market, hydrogen cars offer the promise of zero emission technology, where the only byproduct from the cars is water vapor. Current fossil-fuel burning vehicles emit all sorts of pollutants such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxide, ozone and microscopic particulate matter. Hybrids and other green cars address these issues to a large extent but only hydrogen cars hold the promise of zero emission of pollutants. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that fossil-fuel automobiles emit 1 ½ billion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere each year and going to hydrogen-based transportation would all but eliminate this. Not only that, hydrogen cars will lessen the United States' dependence upon foreign oil. The so-called "hydrogen highway" will mean less dependence upon OPEC, the big U. S. oil companies, oil refinery malfunctions and breakdowns and less resistance from oil-selling nations like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia or from hostile nations who would rather sell elsewhere. Consumers will finally get a break from the never-ending rising prices at the gasoline pumps.
H.C.

English student said...

If you can’t wait five, 10 or 20 years for the much-touted "hydrogen economy," then step right up: Several companies are ready to sell you vehicles that run on the fuel that's much cleaner and gets higher mileage than gasoline or diesel.There are two significant catches, however. First is getting the hydrogen. Industrial gas suppliers sell hydrogen in cylinders but very few filling stations exist today. California has the most at 13 pilot stations run by utilities and carmakers, and plans some 170 commercial ones by 2010. The cost varies too, from $1 to $20 a kilo. A gallon of gasoline has the same energy content as a kilo of hydrogen, but vehicles using the latter get two to three times higher mileage.Second is the price tag: The Shelby Cobras start at $149,000, the pickup is $99,995 and the Hummers run $60,000 for the conversion alone — you supply the Hummer.
msnbc

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